Tuesday, August 07, 2007

The God Truthiness: Island Hopping

In writing the last post I neglected to look at the second last section of chapter 4 - 'An Interlude at Cambridge'. I want to give it a separate post because it touches on stuff which arises out of the chapter and comments made about Dawkins' use of science to critique the existence of God. marco recently declared that “My not reading it [The God Delusion] is in part a protest by one as me who believes that the existence of God can neither be disproven nor proven.” (italics mine) I'll soon examine the implications of that stance, but by way of introduction let's look at 'An Interlude at Cambridge'.


Dawkins attended a conference on science and religion where of the 18 speakers he was the only atheist. In his words:


The theologians of my Cambridge encounter were defining themselves into an epistemological Safe Zone where rational argument could not reach them because they had declared by fiat that it could not. Who was I to say that rational argument was the only admissible kind of argument? (184)


I'm going to talk about my opinion here, and it relates to the 'God of the Gaps' that Dawkins previously mentioned. By building a 'Safe Zone' around God the theologians of the conference are making the same mistake that ID proponents make when they secreted God in a gap of scientific knowledge. Science marches on whether philosophers and theologians wish it to or not. Recently I foolishly claimed “You won't find God being dismantled by philosophy and theology. They are the house of cards that Dawkins is pushing over using science.” and dr clam quickly took me to task for it with “You can't push philosophy over using science any more than you can find the prime factors of the colour blue.” He's right, and I thank him for exposing the flaw.


If philosophy and theology continue to barricade themselves they won't be dismantled by science, they'll just be made irrelevant by it. For thousands of years events in the natural world were explained as supernatural. But now we have the sciences of Geology, Physics, Chemistry etc. Science then turned inwards. Previously Psychology was regarded as part of Philosophy, but in the last 200 years has grown into its own science. The working of the mind is now being demystified by scientific approaches. The ancient science of Medicine now joins in this, too. Gradually Philosophy and Theology are whittled away as a scientific discipline takes over.


I'm going to put on my Damien Broderick cap. Its a funny little cap that gives me a wide-eyed faith in science. But its a cap that becomes weightier as every year more is added to the several thousands of years of accumulated scientific knowledge. Our schools and universities are now predominately scientific institutions (although recently universities seem to be devolving into business colleges and MBA production lines, but that's another matter). I really don't see the future learners at these institutions participating much in Philosophy and Theology. Whether philosophers and theologians like it or not their field is being subsumed by science.


And now even God, once a bailiwick of only philosophy and theology, is being encroached on by science. It's early days, but for every one of today's established sciences there was early days. Days when that science was if not ridiculed by religion, then sometimes actively and brutally opposed by it. But slowly superstition was replaced with fact. Thankfully these days we live in a world where dissent with religious doctrine won't have your books banned or even burned, and you placed under house arrest. My Damien Broderick cap informs me that science will make inroads to the God of Philosophy and Theology at a speedy rate. Dawkins' book is now making headlines about the controversy, but I'm sure others will soon follow. A perusal through his “Books Cited or Recommended” shows there's already a wealth of like-minded books available.


So I'd be very careful in mounting a defense of God by getting him to stand on the beach of his little island refuge with a “No Entry to Science” sign hanging around His neck. It may well take on the appearance of a noose. For as the Allies did in the final days of the Pacific theater of WWII, you don't have to confront an enemy to capture their territory. You can just steam on by leaving them alone on their island wondering where everyone else has gone, thinking that a war long over is still being fought.

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At August 08, 2007 12:43 PM, Blogger Dr Clam said...

I've got a Damien Broderick hat, too! It is made out of newspaper and is actually the same as my Captain Beaky hat. But I am fond of it. I have gone so far as to write a piss-take of 'The Spike' richly larded with Kevin Costner 'Field of Dreams' references.

I am going to have another go at your choice of metaphors. Having 'Science' occupy some islands while 'Theology' and 'Philosophy' occupy other islands still implies that they are commensurate sorts of things, but they aren't. To have a stab at it, the physical occupation of islands has nothing to do with the rightness of the causes for which the combatants are fighting. The Emperor might still be divine even if the Japanese Empire is crushed, and he might not be even if it is victorious.
Hang on, that's probably not a good metaphor either. I will try to come up with something better.

The classic statement of the incommensurability of the two things is the book metaphor which Rilstone discusses at some length. What do you think of his arguments there, eh? Basically, even if science gives a full explanation for all the events *inside* the book, it is incapable of answering the question: 'Why isn't this book writen in Japanese?'. Dawkins would say that this was a meaningless non-question, but surely that is a cop out.

 
At August 08, 2007 10:40 PM, Blogger winstoninabox said...

dr clam I've looked through Mr Rilstone's blog and have been unable to find that argument.

Would you mind linking to it please?

 
At August 09, 2007 5:57 AM, Blogger Dr Clam said...

Hmm, maybe it wasn't discussed in as much length as I remember...

It is at the end of this one and the end of this one.

 
At August 09, 2007 8:33 AM, Blogger winstoninabox said...

Ah, thanks dr clam. The line of reasoning is 'God is an author'. Maybe that touches on what I'll write about chapter 3, so I'll put it in that post.

 
At August 09, 2007 11:14 AM, Blogger Marco Parigi said...

The PROOF of the assertion that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God goes something like this: For every event or phenomenon that is claimed to be supernatural, a counterclaim can be justifiably made that it is just a natural phenomenon that we haven't explained yet. Conversely, for any and every question that is answered by Science now or in the future, a new question can be automatically generated that science cannot answer.

 
At August 09, 2007 1:06 PM, Blogger Marco Parigi said...

Oh Yes, and I meant to say that now that Dawkins has proven the non-existence of God (or of the vanishingly low probability of Same), he can move on to more useful stuff like his new design of a perpetual motion machine, his universal language translator and his finding of when the decimals representing pi start to repeat :)

 

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